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The Miyazaki Mailing List
How to access the LISTSERV Archives
Contents
- For advanced users, via E-mail only:
- For novice users, via FTP and E-mail:
Please note: since our list server's transfer from
brownvm.brown.edu to
listserv.brown.edu,
the FTP method is not currently available.
This page will teach you how to download files from the mailing list's
archive on the mailing list's server. There are two ways to do so, and
they're both presented here.
Before we begin, a brief glossary:
- mailing list archive
- A place where messages from a mailing list are stored.
Usually, messages are stored in groups by week, month, or
year. To save space, either a limited number are stored,
or they are compressed using archival software to reduce
the amount of space they take up on disk.
- LISTSERV
- This is the software used by the Miyazaki Mailing List
to manage subscriptions, mail delivery, and mail archiving.
It is sold by L-Soft.com.
- BrownVM
- This is the machine which hosts the Miyazaki Mailing List. The full
name of this machine is listserv.brown.edu.
- listserv@listserv.brown.edu
- The e-mail address of the list server which manages the
Miyazaki Mailing List. E-mailed commands to the list server should
be directed to that e-mail address.
- FTP
- File Transfer Protocol or File Transfer Program. There are
many computer programs which let you transfer files between
computers (attaching them to e-mail messages is not the only way to
do so). Usually, the letters "FTP" are somewhere in the name
of such computer programs (e.g. WS_FTP, AbsoluteFTP, CuteFTP, etc.),
but not always (e.g. Fetch).
- CD
- In this context, "CD" is the "change directory" command for
FTP. Files on computers are grouped into directories, and
the "CD" command lets you choose which directory to look at.
- DIR
- In this context, "DIR" is the "directory listing" command
for FTP. It will retrieve a listing of the files available
on the file server in the directory you've chosen with the
"CD" command. Files are usually listed by name, type, size,
and the date they were created or most recently modified.
LISTSERV
- ASCII
- In this context, "ASCII" is the command which tells the FTP
program to transfer data as if it was text instead of binary
data usually found in picture files, sound files, movie files,
or programs. This affects all future "GET" commands (see below).
- GET
- In this context, "GET" is the download commmand for FTP.
To transfer a file from another computer to your computer, the
"GET" command has to be told by name which file you want to
receive.
I will be explaining in parallel how to use FTP and E-mail to download
files from the message archive, for your convenience.
| FTP instructions |
E-mail instructions |
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The FTP instructions are not applicable for the time being.
The admin of our list server hasn't restored anonymous FTP access yet.
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- Start your e-mail program.
- Begin a new e-mail message.
- Address the message to listserv@listserv.brown.edu.
- Skip over the Subject line, as that is not important.
- In the body of the message, type:
thanks
- Send the message and wait for the response from LISTSERV.
- If you receive a message from listserv@listserv.brown.edu
with the text "You're welcome!", then your command was received
and processed correctly.
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| FTP instructions |
E-mail instructions |
|
The FTP instructions are not applicable for the time being.
The admin of our list server hasn't restored anonymous FTP access yet.
|
- Start your e-mail program.
- Begin a new e-mail message.
- Address the message to listserv@listserv.brown.edu.
- Skip over the Subject line, as that is not important.
- In the body of the message, type:
index nausicaa
- Send the message and wait for the response from LISTSERV.
- If you receive a message from listserv@listserv.brown.edu
with the subject File: "NAUSICAA FILELIST"
and a file listing beginning with the text
"* NAUSICAA FILELIST for LISTSERV@BROWNVM", then your
command was received and processed correctly.
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| FTP instructions |
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The FTP instructions are not applicable for the time being.
The admin of our list server hasn't restored anonymous FTP access yet.
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| E-mail instructions |
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Assuming you've just received the result of the "index nausicaa" command:
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| FTP instructions |
E-mail instructions |
|
The FTP instructions are not applicable for the time being.
The admin of our list server hasn't restored anonymous FTP access yet.
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Assume for the sake of example that the archive you want is named
"NAUSICAA LOG9905C".
- Start your e-mail program.
- Begin a new e-mail message.
- Address the message to listserv@listserv.brown.edu.
- Skip over the Subject line, as that is not important.
- In the body of the message, type:
get nausicaa log9905c
- Send the message and wait for the response from LISTSERV.
- If you receive a message from listserv@listserv.brown.edu
with a subject of "File: "NAUSICAA LOG9905C", then
your command was received and processed correctly.
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| FTP and E-mail instructions |
Assume for the sake of example that the archive you want
has been downloaded to your machine, or e-mailed to you
from the list server, with the name "NAUSICAA.LOG9905C".
- If you received the LOG file via e-mail, you can probably
use your e-mail software to store the message as a text
file on disk. Check your e-mail software's documentation
for instructions on how to do this.
- You can open the file with your favorite text editor
or word processor at this point. All of the messages are
concatenated together, one after another, in the order that
they were received by LISTSERV.
- Each message begins with a horizontal line made up
of 72 equal signs "=". This serves to separate each
message from the next, but this also means unless your e-mail
program understands LISTSERV archives, it won't be possible to
simply feed the mail archive file into your e-mail program to
let it pretend it is one of your e-mail folders
- After the horizontal line, each message then has a header which
describes when each message was sent, what the mailing list's
address is, who the message was from, and what the subject of
the message was.
- Between the header and the next line of equal signs is
the body of the message.
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| FTP and E-mail instructions |
- If your text editor has a search feature, you can quickly
find the text you're looking for that might appear anywhere
in the headers or bodies of the messages in the archive
you just downloaded.
- The particulars of how your text editor searches will
determine how easily you can find the messages you are
looking for. Please consult your text editor's or word
processor's documentation for help with searching for
text.
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| FTP and E-mail instructions |
- If you don't find the message(s) you're looking for in
the file from the message archive that you just downloaded,
then try another guess about when the message might have been
posted to the list, determine what the name of the likely
archive would be, and then try downloading that one.
- If you downloaded or received the most recent mail archive and
didn't find the message you were looking for, then try again
with the previous week's archive. If that doesn't help, use
the web archive search
tool written by FUKUMOTO Atsushi.
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There is actually a search utility on LISTSERV to help you search for
messages in the archive, but it is more difficult to use. For more
information about the search utility, send the text "info database"
to the address listserv@listserv.brown.edu. You will receive a
message from LISTSERV with the subject File: "LISTDB MEMO".
Alternately, you can find the
LISTSERV documentation about the SEARCH command online. Read it
carefully.
Use this message template to search for messages:
SEARCH something IN NAUSICAA date_expression
Where:
- SEARCH
- This word is required, although it doesn't have to be in ALL CAPS.
- something
- This can be the word or words you are searching for. It can be
as simple as "reel.com" or as complex as a Boolean expression like
"Kondo AND (NOT Yoshifumi)". The quotation marks are not necessary,
and capitalization is ignored when searching.
- IN NAUSICAA
- These two words are required to identify the mailing list whose
archives you are searching. Again, ALL CAPS is not required.
- date_expression
- This is where you describe which dates you wish to limit the search
to. This part is optional. If this part is omitted, then the entire
archive on the list server is searched, instead of specific dates.
This can be as simple as "TODAY" or as complex as "FROM 14 july TO
oct 97" (without the quotation marks, of course).
- Note that the list server does not contain all messages since 1991.
Instead, the list server only contains the last 12-15 months of
messages. We used to be able to store messages further in the past,
but that is no longer possible due to:
- Strictly speaking, what comes after "IN NAUSICAA" can be used
to limit the search in ways other than by restricting the dates.
However, that is a topic the LISTSERV documentation is better
able to describe.
Read the
LISTSERV documentation about the SEARCH command to learn how to search
effectively via e-mail. Then send your query to the address
listserv@listserv.brown.edu.
In response to a number of questions on the list which could have been
easily answered by searching the mailing list's archives for the answer, I
have prepared here a sample of the database query I used to search for the
answer to one of those questions:
What was the question? "Could someone tell me the URL of the reel.com review
of the Princess Mononoke soundtrack?"
SEARCH reel.com IN NAUSICAA SINCE oct 1999
PRINT
> SEARCH reel.com IN NAUSICAA SINCE oct 1999
--> Database NAUSICAA, 5 hits.
Item # Date Time Recs Subject
------ ---- ---- ---- -------
004137 99/10/09 19:44 27 Some Mononoke Queries from reel.com review
004141 99/10/10 01:52 25 Re: Some Mononoke Queries from reel.com review
004147 99/10/10 12:19 27 Re: Some Mononoke Queries from reel.com review
004155 99/10/10 17:06 62 Re: Some Mononoke Queries from reel.com review
004158 99/10/11 00:07 31 MH US Soundtrack Query
> PRINT
>>> Item number 4137, dated 99/10/09 19:44:37 -- ALL
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:44:37 -0700
Reply-To: Hayao Miyazaki Discussion Group <NAUSICAA@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU>
Sender: Hayao Miyazaki Discussion Group <NAUSICAA@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU>
From: Donander Evre <ninzian@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Some Mononoke Queries from reel.com review
I read the reel.com review of Mononoke.
[...]
The result? There was no message which quoted a URL for a reel.com review
of the Princess Mononoke soundtrack. What's the next best answer? Ask
Donander Evre! Why? Dondander must know how to find the URL of the
reel.com review if he read it.
I hope that this helps you.
Michael
Miyazaki ML owner
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