Talk:Princess Mononoke

30 Jan

I've added the text from the main page, matching the formatting as closely as possible.

Japanese text works fine, as does formatting rules from Wikipedia's help (the editing help pages here are empty). I've added some links for the main characters: these pages could be created, or set to link elsewhere, or the links taken out if neither is appropriate.

JohnBlackburne 17:41, 30 January 2007 (EST)

I've tried recreating the info box as a template, see my user page for it. It needs parameters to support page specific links: I've had a look and it looks simple enough.

JohnBlackburne 18:28, 30 January 2007 (EST)

31 Jan

Template looks good. Different films have varying amounts of "shading" as the number of elements isn't fixed. It usually took a few tries to manually fiddle with each box. I think films with missing elements should be ok in the template as the links will just go to the stock "page not here yet" page. Plus it gives incentive to fill in the missing spots.

LLin 00:20, 31 January 2007 (EST)

1 Feb

I've updated the template so it now has links, and renamed it FilmInfo. The links are all film_Credits, film_Info etc where 'film' is the film name, e.g. 'mononoke' in this case. The film name is passed to the template as a parameter like this {{FilmInfo|film=mononoke}} when it's used so the links will be different each time it's used. The links are standard Wiki links that take you to the page or let you edit it. I also fixed some mistakes I made in the 1st version of this template.

As it seems to work I've put it on the main page, and also rearranged everything else so it's more balanced, putting the picture on the other side, centring the text below the headings. Comparing it to the non-wiki page the main things missing are the topmost links and the bottommost circular links. Templates could be used here too, especially for the top ribbon of links.

JohnBlackburne 14:23, 1 February 2007 (EST)

I've created a basic Miyazaki bio page using text from the old site, inserting Wiki links. This page links to that and that to this so we now have both sorts of links, which at least makes it easier to see how the formatting will work out. I used shortened forms of names for links, e.g. 'Porco' rather than 'Porco Rosso', matching the old site, though with redirects either should work.

JohnBlackburne 16:28, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Realised that I didn't know how to do redirects, so I looked it up and created one for Miyazaki, so now Miyazaki and Hayao Miyazaki both take you to the right page, as does typing either into the search box.

JohnBlackburne 18:24, 1 February 2007 (EST)

I'm going to check how WP handles Japanese text. If we can get away from using images to something character-based it'd help keep the same look-and-feel.

LLin 19:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)

2 Feb

What's WP ? I just typed or copied and pasted text from the old site straight into the Editing pane. The Japanese had to be typed but it's only a few characters at a time - slow for me as my Japanese is very limited but they are so few that I can do them all like this.

As for the look and feel I much prefer Japanese text over graphics - I suspect all OSes now come with Japanese support, and anyone interested in this site is likely to have it installed or enabled. It means web searches work too - potentially putting us on top of searches e.g. for もののけ姫 with 'search for English results only' (a Google option) - just tried it and this search lists only three sites.

JohnBlackburne 07:51, 2 February 2007 (EST)

WP = Wikipedia LLin 09:55, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Ported the FAQ. Swapping all of the HTML was the biggest time-consumer, I'll have to look into HTML-Wiki converters. The FAQ is missing the images, even though MediaWiki handles the files internally I think a standard file naming convention will help.

For the template the directory names used on NN can be a starting point as they're all single words with no spaces or other junk. "Mononoke" is better than "mh" so no need to slavishly follow the original. LLin 12:31, 2 February 2007 (EST)

I've added a Porco Rosso page, using the same layout but with appropriate content, and another picture. I also added a redirect. I started with the page at Porco and the redirect at Porco Rosso but then the page had the title 'Porco'. Moving it fixed it and created a redirect at Porco.

On Japanese, wikipedia does the same as we've done here, though their overall formatting is quite different. See e.g. [the Princess Mononoke page].

JohnBlackburne 15:15, 2 February 2007 (EST)

I've done a quick table based picture-with-caption template, and used it for the Porco Rosso picture. As it's a table we can format it as we like - centre the text, recolour it or the background, add a border etc., like the filminfo box already. Compare it to the image on this page done with mediawiki's built in captioning, which I don't think works well, and requires HTML for the text colour.

The left alignment is built into the table - this could be a parameter but then it would need to be supplied for every use. Better perhaps to do two versions, e.g. a left and right version, or more if we want format variations. The same applies to the film info box and other templates.

JohnBlackburne 16:00, 2 February 2007 (EST)

3 Feb

I've been trying to get the icons to work, i.e. the clickable images at the bottoms of pages, and on the main film page. But whatever I do I get either a link to the uploaded image page or a link but no image. This seems to be by design - on wikipedia and wikimedia images always link to their upload page.

There's a setting to change this: this page describes how. But it does enable other image embedding, an issue on a public servers where users could embed non-appropriate images from other sites.

Or we can put redirects on the image pages, but this has the disadvantage of being no-obvious to the user - the link looks like one to the image upload page until after they've clicked on it.

Or we can use only text links, like wikipedia and other wikis.

JohnBlackburne 15:51, 3 February 2007 (EST)

Text links seem the simplest approach in implementing the film bar. I suppose the graphic could be included with the text link but users tend to click on the graphic instead of the text.

LLin 21:25, 3 February 2007 (EST)

4 Feb

I've improved Template:FilmInfo & Template:PictureBox by changing the parameter names to '1' and '2'. These are the standard names, which means you don't need to give them, making the templates easier to use. I've had to change all the pages with them but the changes have all made the page simpler. I also changed this page to use the picture template for consistency.

JohnBlackburne 09:50, 4 February 2007 (EST)

12 Feb

Good progress on this section. The next big hurdle is figuring out the books/cd/video page templates. I'd like to knock those out before moving on to other films.

LLin 16:13, 12 February 2007 (EST)